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Tossers of the Day: Hunterdon County Board of Freeholders

by: Media In Trouble

Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 10:12:43 PM EDT



Sorry I haven't been round much, but my blogging time is typically work time and the blogofascists at work decided blogging was bayd... mmmmkay?

Anyway, we got a real gem here folks. Scroll down past the tear jerking Habitat for Humanity part and find the part where they start talking about how some heads be explodin' over at Hunterdon County cuz' they gotta pick up dead deer from now on.

For some local officials, Trenton’s decision to make local governing bodies pay for removing deer carcasses off roads starting this October is just another example of passing the fiscal buck.

But in a recent letter, DOT Deputy Commissioner Stephen Dilts advised mayors that because of a $715,000 budget cut, the department would, as of Oct. 1, no longer pay for pickups on county- or town-owned roads. The state, however, will continue to pay for those collected on its own roads, like Routes 202 and 206.
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The decision to impose the cost of clean-up on local governing bodies so incensed the Hunterdon County Board of Freeholders that they filed suit against the DOT last week, arguing that deer are, by tradition, the state’s responsibility.

While Somerset Hills officials might not lean toward litigation, some nevertheless expressed exasperation that the DOT forced the decision upon them.

“It’s obviously a pain we would prefer not to have,” said Somerset County Freeholder Peter Palmer, a resident and former mayor of Bernardsville, on Friday, July 28.

OK. So it's a real pain in the ass picking up a dead carcass from the side of the road and throwing it in the garbage truck, or giving it to the rabid dogs, or whatever the hell they do with dead deer. I understand that... I don't pick up dead  deer off the road (despite the waste of all the yummy venison - which by the way, is divine ala tartar drizzled with truffle oil).

However, we must keep the objective in mind here folks... It is to save us all (including Hunterdon County residents) from paying even higher taxes, or cutting other services. So they decide to file a costly lawsuit to try and get the burden off their back.

As if that wasn't enough government waste...

According to County Engineer Michael Amorosa, the freeholders could, at that time, award a deer removal contract to one of three vendors who bid for the job last month. Amorosoa said the county issued the bid notice anticipating the DOT cuts.

UPDATE: Fixed link NJ newspapers haven't gotten the whole permalink thing down yet, so sometimes articles on their webpages get interlaced with other articles. Thanks Dennis for pointing it out.

Media In Trouble :: Tossers of the Day: Hunterdon County Board of Freeholders
“We knew we had to have a contractor in place, in the event the state decided to do what they did,” he said.

He said the bids, which were opened on July 19, ranged from a low of $64.95 per deer, to $75, and $92.

Those bids exceeded the “$35 or $40 a head” the county paid when it last paid for pickup during the Florio administration in the 1980s, he said.


They anticipated having to do it themselves... so they did the natural thing and started a bidding process on the contract.

Just like anything else in this goddamned state. When you don't feel like doing something yourself...

OUTSOURCE THE MOTHER F*(&@ER!!!!

This way, whatever savings were supposed to be passed onto the taxpayer get erased by some no-bid (or fake bidding) contracting process designed to funnel taxpayer money into some corporation's bank account. Besides HOW THE HELL DO YOU JUSTIFY THESE PRICES? Not to mention, now you have to hire someone to make sure those invoices are correct. You need to make sure they are picking up the ammount of carcasses they are invoicing you for. That means yet another state worker... OH THE STATE WORKERS!!! With all their pensions and unions and crazy tax dollar draining benefits!!!

PSST... Hunterdon Freeloaders Freeholders... Sport hunters don't get paid $65 to get a deer they just shot into a truck... Why should your taxpayers?

Why not ask the hunters how they do it for free?

Better still:


“It’s going to be a lot of money,” she added, noting that Bedminster police report an average of 10 to 15 dead deer along township roadsides each month.

“If it costs us an average of $65 per deer, and we have 10 to 15 each month, that comes out to $650 to $1,000 a month, or up to $12,000 a year,” calculated Stanbury.

The best hope of local officials is that they’ll be able to keep costs as low as possible through bidding cooperatives.

Many local towns, including Bernardsville, Bedminster and Peapack-Gladstone, are members of Somerset and/or Morris County shared services cooperatives.

Officials said they are waiting to see which vendors are awarded contracts before deciding how to proceed.

“We’ll be doing some cooperative measure, I’m sure,” said Stanbury. “One thing I know is we’re not going back to the days when our public works employees picked up the carcasses.”

Well...why the fuck not?

While you are at the whole cooperative bidding stuff for deer carcasses, why not throw in some cooperative tax collection and School Boarding? You know to "keep costs as low as possible" for some of those other pesky burdens of local government?

TOSSERS!

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Suing the state is all the vogue out here. (0.00 / 0)
Warren and Hunterdon(Republican controlled) are also involved in a huge and incredibly expensive lawsuit against The Highlands Act. Warren can have a hiring freeze(creating an understaffing situation), but be sinking huge gouts of gelt on lawyers and consultants for this lawsuit.

Of course, with lawyers and consultants, we do know how that whole thing works don't we? Must I explain everything? ;-)


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You know, a little research is never out of order ... (0.00 / 0)
... before one goes off on a rant.

WHY is it so expensive to dispose of a dead deer when hunters can do it virtually for free? BECAUSE HUNTERS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE RULES THAT GOVERN BUSINESSES. Including the county and its contractors. Hunters can put the guts & bits in their trash can. Businesses -- or anyone other than a hunter who has possession of Bambi's motal remains -- cannot. Dead horses, sheep, cows, elephants -- all cost money to dispose of in a safe and sanitary manner.

Dead carcasses of ANYTHING -- including the ubiquitous "White-tailed Jersey Speedbump" -- must be disposed of through rendering plants. You can't just landfill 'em. They're considered to be dangerous hazards to health. Rendering plants charge $60 or so a carcass.

And why not have county workers pick them up? BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS AND DIRTY WORK. The retrieval of heavy, rotting corpses from the side of the highway involves a lot of risk to backs, knees, from getting hit by cars, to catching nasty diseases. The county doesn't want to rack up health claims when it can ship this risk out. Ir doesn't want the stinking gut truck on its property. It doesn't want to deal with the inevitable absenteeism. Rotting deer are a huge magnitude worse smelling than garbage or sewerage -- and in 100 degree heat?

You're getting a major bargain of you can outsource this task. So simmer the heck down -- not everyting you read in the paper about government spending is proof the system stinks. Sometimes it's only the deer. 


hey dennis (0.00 / 0)
last I checked, picking up garbage cans full of garbage is also hazardous to your health, knees, back, and who the hell knows whats in that black plastic bag.!? Have you forgotten that you live in Jersey.

If you are the research king, show me an invoice or an estimate from a rendering plant that says it costs 60 bucks a buck.

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And while we're on the subject ... (0.00 / 0)
... your link only goes to the so-called "tear-jerking" Habitat for Humanity article, and just what exactly is it you object to in that article? This is a progressive Democratic forum, and you're calling low-cost housing for low-income people in Bernardville by bad names? Really! You sure you're in the right forum?

The state was avergaging $40 a deer when it passed the cost on to the municipalities in the last budget. See this from 1010WINS last April:

Friday, 21 April 2006 6:45PM

New Jersey: Let Towns Collect Dead Deer

TRENTON (1010 WINS)  -- Dead deer on the road, a common site in most of New Jersey, have become a messy political squabble.

As part of $17 million in proposed state Department of Transportation budget cuts, the state wants to force municipalities to begin collecting dead deer, starting in September.

The state has spent $850,000 per year to hire a contractor to collect 21,000 dead deer annually from all roadways, though 14,700 deer are collected from county and municipal roads.

New Jersey has an estimated 180,000 deer.

Transportation Commissioner Kris Kolluri said the state will continue to collect deer carcasses from state highways, but local municipalities would have to collect deer from their own roads and county roads within their borders. He compared the proposed move to the state plowing snow on state highways and municipal governments plowing snow on local streets.

Kolluri said the move would save the state about $734,000 as it tries to close a projected $4.5 billion budget deficit for next fiscal year.

``This is a tough fiscal environment,'' Kolluri said.

He said the state is open to allowing municipalities to use the state's 18 deer carcass disposal sites, as long as safe and health practices are followed by municipalities and the state doesn't see additional costs.

No agreement has been completed, he said.

Bill Dressel, executive director of the New Jersey State League of Municipalities, said local governments will fight the proposal.

``It's an unanticipated cost, a cost that's traditionally been picked up by the state,'' Dressel said. ``It's going to mean in many cases possible property tax increases.''

Dressel said the state wants municipalities to cover more services while proposing no increase in state aid for municipalities for the fifth consecutive year. He also noted Gov. Jon S. Corzine wants rural communities to pay for state police patrols.

``I would argue it's cheaper for the state to be enabled to negotiate with one contractor than it would be for each of the individual municipalities to negotiate with a lot of contractors,'' Dressel said.

New Jersey has 566 municipalities.



so there is no rendering plant (0.00 / 0)
the state is still allowing municipalities to drop off the carcasses at one of 16 locations (that to me means the state pays for the rendering).

So again you are asking people who regularly pick up 50 lb garbage cans to maybe get together as a team to pick up one deer carcas.

I still don't see why the heavy lifting part has to be outsourced.

As for the tear jerking part, it was snark AKA sarcasm. Fact is the good part was buried deep in the article. So if you started reading the Habitat for Humanity stuff you may have never gotten to the scheister deer scam down at the bottom. Get over yourself. I happen to think that HFH is one of the best charities on the planet. Giving someone a chance to live in a house that instantly has tons more equity than they could have ever afforded is a great thing in this world.

Can't I say tear jerking? What's wrong with that?

Media In Trouble


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They go from the drop-off point to a rendering plant, of which rthere are not so many (0.00 / 0)
and I'd rather someone else pay for the worker's exposure to Lyme disease (deer ticks, anyone?)

there is not one word on deer, dead or otherwise (0.00 / 0)
in the story about Habitat for Humanity you link to. The story about deer is accesible from the "News" menu item opn the site.

Why does Habitat for Humanity inspire you to sarcasm? Seems an odd reaction to me ...


The total, fully loaded cost to render a carcass is ... (0.00 / 0)
$.163 per pound, all costs including labor and transportation included.

Or about $80 per 500 lb. deer.

According to the Nebraska Department of Agriculture.

Took me 10 seconds to google it. I'll send you the link if you'd like.

The state will collect the rendering fee at the collection point. Gauranteed!

Back injuries are the number one reason for worker's comp claims. So let's be sure to put three crews of three county workers apiece (one to drive the truck and help lift, two to do the heavy lifting), and three trucks, and all the salary, benefits, management, transportation (three gut trucks) and other expenses out there ... or outsource for around $60 per dead deer. Which seems to be where the article you don't quite point to puts the price. And keeping in mind those nine county workers and their supervisor either have to be hired or taken from some other task that won't get done 'cause they're out picking carcasses off the road ... and it IS a full-time job.

Still sounds like a $20 savings per dead deer to me if they outsource it.


Fixed the link (0.00 / 0)
Sorry Dennis, but sometimes jersey papers and their websites make it difficult to actually link to them. When I first wrote about this the story was indeed deep down in the body of the text, below the Habitat for Humanity stuff. You had to scroll down like I said.

I tend to think this pushing shit onto the municipality is all part of the ass backwards "proud tradition of Home Rule" that we have in this state.

So if your municipalities want Home Rule for somethings, then they should want it for other things as well. Or lobby the shit out of the state to consolidate all deer collection services under the parks department or something like that. Or  lobby the state to help build a rendering facility so that the cost of rendering is cheaper.

But small municipalities outsourcing stuff doesn't quite pass a smell test for me. I don't know what my public works guys do all day, but I know that in the morning they collect garbage, then they may drive around with the street sweeper. Then what? I dunno. I don't know if htey are over worked or underworked.

However, from what I see, they drive the street sweeper, they pick up garbage (which actually is outsourced). My town has about 4-6 guys in the public works department. My town is 1 sq mile. I assume towns that have tons of deer/year will have more public works folks / sq mile.

With your arguments, public employees wouldn't do anything that could create a health risk, when most jobs of manual labor come with some health risk. It is why we have health insurance. There are jobs that require working with some materials, machines, etc.

Sorry but I am not buying your argument. If a dear carcass pick-up service can get away with charging $60 for picking up the carcass and rendering it, when according to Nebraska costs $80/deer. Then I am sure the good folks can get a committee together to find out how they do it so cheaply and still turn a profit.

That's how the situation should be handled.

Media In Trouble


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