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4 P.M.

by: carolh

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:43:26 PM EDT



Is it tea time?

No.  4 p.m. is when the current Bergen County Freeholders have their work session meetings to make decisions that affect YOUR tax bill.   During the week.  You, know, when most folks are still at work and can't come.  These are the meetings that aren't televised like the "Public Meetings".  

These meetings are the meat of when legislation gets done.  I know because as a Councilwoman in Tenafly, our work sessions last for 4 hours - if we are lucky and they don't go for 5.  We are Democrats who believe in OPEN government. OPEN public meetings.  The public is invited to our work sessions and they are invited to speak about any item they wish.  
Folks who don't like doing the public's work in public call what we do squabbling, but as they say, anyone who likes both laws and sausage probably wouldn't like to see either get made.  Democracy is loud, it is messy.  It is hard.  But in the end, the best laws get made when there is debate and dissent along the way, the last draft is always better than the very first.  That is how any creative endeavor works.  I design in my day job as an engineer.  Things always need to go back to the drawing board as they say, for a little tweaking.  The final result is the better for it.

In Tenafly, our 6 Dem council often gets teased by folks who don't understand how government should work.  They think we should always be united on every issue.  But we have had quite a few votes that needed a tie breaking vote by the Mayor.  That is how it should be.  We each bring a different perspective to the table and that is healthy.  Our meetings go long because we care about what we do and won't leave until we have done our due diligence.

We do not rubber stamp items that come to the table and I firmly believe the residents that voted me into office deserve every ounce of respect I can give issues that will directly affect them.

When our Mayor wanted to pass a few ordinances simply to say he got them done before his election last year, I was the speed bump in the way because I actually analyzed what these zoning ordinances would do and prevented a 2 family zone ordinance from being passed that was based on an incorrect map.  I analyzed the F.A.R. ordinance the Planning Board wanted to rubber stamp and came up with a solution that worked for everyone all over the Borough in a simpler way.  Getting the Mayor to admit he made a mistake has been harder than coming up with a better ordinance, but so be it.  I will not pass a bad ordinance simply to say I passed something.  I care about getting it right.  

The latest articles in the Record about the way the current Bergen County Freeholder Board conducts business has made me even more determined to win this Primary fight.  To hold work sessions at 4 in the afternoon shows how badly the current Freeholders misunderstand the concept of the Open Public Meetings act here in NJ.  

Sunshine law doesn't mean the sun must be out when you hold your meetings at 4 in the afternoon.  It means what you do must be open and transparent to the public you are accountable to.  It means you give folks a chance to speak at that meeting and actually address you to your face.  It means you show them the respect they deserve. It means you know every decision you are making - you are doing on their behalf and to benefit the community as a whole.  

To have our ELECTED Freeholders waste more time on chocolate eating competitions and photo ops than on weighty decisions of budget matters should make every tax paying County resident livid.  

We don't need Freeholders who are so in love with the idea of being Freeholders, that they simply kowtow to the Party Bosses to get money for re-election.  We don't need Freeholders who are so busy trying to get elected Mayor in their own towns that they neglect the other municipalities in the county.  We need Freeholders who are tough, who can think through the difficult decisions we have to make in this economy.  The Party Bosses have a stranglehold on our County Government and the Freeholders aid and abet Boss Joe.  We cannot afford a County Government that allows the Party Boss to determine who to hire and who to give fat raises to.  

We cannot afford business as usual. We cannot afford sheep in Freeholder clothing.  We cannot afford Ganz and McPherson.  

Read the attached articles from the Bergen Record and PolitickerNJ and see if you disagree.

http://www.northjersey.com/new...

http://www.northjersey.com/new...

http://www.politickernj.com/ho...

carolh :: 4 P.M.
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wow (0.00 / 0)
You are citing a GOP press release as a basis to attack incumbent democrats in a primary which you have alligned yourself with a former GOP assembly candidate.  Kudos Carol.

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

I Wonder Why Someone Who Is.... (0.00 / 0)
....an avid supporter of Barack Obama would be so loyal to a blatantly unethical machine like Joe Ferriero's BCDO that has embraced (literally, I was there an saw it) Hillary Clinton.

How is anything about Joe Ferriero consistent with the kinds of change we, who support Obama, wish to see.

Carol represents the future of politics in Bergen County, New Jersey and the rest of America.

The days of legalized bribery are coming to an end.  


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There you are! (0.00 / 0)
Was wondering where you were.

Did you somehow miss the two Record articles? What do you have to say to the fact that the current freeholders hold meetings so early the public cannot attend, and they spend a few seconds on budget matters and waste lots of time of trivial pursuits?

I'd rather we clean up our party than have to have the opposition do it for us.  That is why I am running on the REFORM slate not the Republican one.  We have to clean our own house, before we get evicted by the voters.  

Don't you agree?

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


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well (0.00 / 0)
I don't see anything wrong with the current all democratic freeholder board which I voted for.  As for the time that the work sessions take place.  I do know that the US Congress and the NJ legislature hold closed door sessions and both public and non-public hearings at all times.  I don't see why it is an indictable offense to hold the work session at such a time.  You know full well that the public meetings take place at 7pm when many people are able to attend (many choose not to).  These meetings allow for anyone to make a statement for the record and they are broadcast online.

http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/fre...

All legislation is open to the public and there are no secrets.  

http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/fre...

In fact, Chairman Padilla has made open and transparent Government a priority of his.  ( I would cite this with a link but I think the news stories I have seen predate the Bergen Record's transformation, if I find it I will post it).

Furthermore, not only do you cite a GOP press release from Politicsnj but you also post links to Editorials from the Record.  The Record's editorial board is one of the most blatant GOP friendly ed boards in the state.  

So, I don't think, as you are well aware, that our party in bergen needs any "cleaning up" as you elucidated so perfunctorily.  And if it did, I wouldn't be looking to an elitist group like the "real" dems to do the cleaning.  

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky


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Perhaps you should reread (0.00 / 0)
my links again.  You have no problem with closed door sessions and no problem with the facts as I have laid them out.  You simply argue about who pointed them out.  The facts remain. This Freeholder Board does not discuss anything worth discussing.  They wait for the word from Joe on how to vote, and then they spend the rest of their time going to chocolate eating contests.  

The public meetings don't educate the public about anything more than how quickly they can get the will of the Party Boss done in a hurry.

Nice.  Your tax dollars at work.  

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


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again (0.00 / 0)
that is just conjecture.

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

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Upon further review (0.00 / 0)
It seems that the time of 4pm for freeholder work sessions was setup by former freeholder chair Valerie Huttle.  Take it up with her.

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

Upon complete review: (0.00 / 0)
Prior to Valerie Huttle becoming Chairwoman - Freeholder work session meetings were held at 4pm and 5pm since before Huttle was even a Freeholder - even when Doug Bern was Chairman. Huttle could not change the schedule on her own - the time must be set by consensus of the Board and no one else wanted it changed.  The Republican dominated Board actually used to hold these work sessions around 2pm and 3pm. The Democrats actually moved them up to 4pm & 5pm.

It was Freeholder Huttle alone who initiated videotaping and broadcasting the Public Freeholder meetings on Cable TV for more public transparency. That was when meetings actually included debates and lasted for hours. Huttle even took the Freeholder meetings on the road and held quarterly public meetings in local borough halls to provide even more transparency. She was and still is all about open government.

Freeholder Huttle was also no rubber stamp - dissenting from the majority - by voting NO on the expansion of the garbage transfer station in a Lodi residential neighborhood, and again on a pay raise for the Freeholders, as well as on many other issues where she did not vote the way the Bosses told the other Freeholders to vote.  She has her own mind, and she isn't afraid to use it.  

So, come up with a new argument........

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


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posturing (0.00 / 0)
Huttle started dissenting only when it became politically expedient for her to do so.  She wanted to become an assemblywoman and she needed to kiss Loretta's ring to do it.  I wonder what it was like when Loretta Weinberg was the clerk to the board and operated the freeholder board as a patronage mill?

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

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Again (0.00 / 0)
with the transference of Boss Joe's behavior.  You are still hypnotized into thinking that Loretta is Joe.  Nothing could be farther from the truth.  

The current LD37 legislators actually ask for comment and input from everyone down to the municipal level before acting.  I haven't had to kiss any rings.  Can't say the same for you, obviously.  

Joe orders folks around, Loretta asks for input and always keeps her priorities straight.  Joe dictates, Loretta inspires.  Many Democrats in NJ support Loretta out of respect, not out of fear that they will lose their jobs like most of the Municipal Chairs in Bergen County who owe their jobs to Joe, Dennis and Lynn Hurwitz.  

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


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Thanks For Turning On The Lights Carol... (0.00 / 0)
....everytime your opposition tries to smear the Real Bergen Democrats in any way, it comes back to bite them on the nose when the truth emerges.

The cold hard fact is that the people who now dominate the BCDO are operating it as a de facto "family business".    

The fact that the modus operandi, to a great extent, is actually legal is a crime against common sense, common decency and Bergen County taxpayers.

The only reason this kind of legalized criminality can continue is that most folks don't have the time or the means to become fully informed and active.

When people know about how the BCDO operates under bossism and de facto criminality they don't like it.   (With the obvious exception of the people who directly or indirectly [family members etc] derive financial benefit from the corrupt status quo.)

When people who snipe at you from behind a pseudonym accuse you of, somehow, not being a loyal Democrat, I dare say that they are likely, in some way shape or form connected to the existing corrupt infrastructure and are merely attempting to protect their free ride.

No one can justify the status quo.

The status quo is dirty.

So the only thing they have is to attack those who would clean it up is by trying desperately to find and inflate any conceivable "speck" in your eye while ignoring the "beams" in their own.

This is an old story; it goes back to Tammany Hall, Frank Hague etc etc.  The toxic weed of corruption in politics is perennial and needs to be pulled up from the roots at every opportunity.    

Stay strong Carol, don't let the dirty bums get you down!


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No Decisions Necessary (4.00 / 3)
Data released by the NJ Election Law Enforcement Commission "...show that 669 firms that gave $15 million in political contributions received $5.17 billion in contracts from all levels of government. That's a return of $345 for every dollar donated."  (Asbury Park Press, April 17. 2008)  

When the "decisions" on contracts have already been made on pay-to-play criteria, there need be no time for even the appearance of deliberation or chit-chat.


Return on "Investment" is What It's All About.... (0.00 / 0)
345 to 1!!!   Wow!!!  No wonder New Jersey is broke!!!

And there's no real risk involved.  Most of the dirty money and the "rewards" it yields is 100% LEGAL!!!

It's actually far worse than this in that every sector of the economy is afflicted by this kind of corruption.   It wouldn't surprise me if 35% of every dollar we spend on "goods and services" and taxes siphoned off by leeches of all kinds.

There's NO reason for a state as rich as NJ to be in ANY debt.

Folks we're being bled dry by vampires.

These people don't belong in public office; they belong in public prisons!!!



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