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Can New Jersey recall a United States Senator?

by: Hopeful

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:11:57 PM EST



After I wrote yesterday about how the "Tea Party's" bid to recall Senator Bob Menendez, Rosi kindly pointed me to an In The Lobby post looking into how Governor Corzine's Secretary of State rejected the petition:

"It has been determined that the qualifications and election of a Member of the United States Senate is a matter of exclusive jurisdiction of federal authority and that neither the United States Constitution nor federal statute provide for a recall proceeding for a federally-elected official.

Therefore, in my capacity as the Chief Election Official of the State of New Jersey, I hereby determine that neither the Notice of Intention to Recall nor the proposed Petition can be accepted for filing or review."

In The Lobby points to New Jersey State 19:27A-2 Power to recall elected officials which specifically states that a Senator or Representative can be recalled. (Though, as I said, the numbers required are too high to succeed.) In The Lobby is partly mistaken -- they think Title 19 is part of the Constitution passed by voters, but it is actually a law passed by the legislature -- but it hardly matters. It sounds like the recall attempt should have been allowed -- though not only do they need 1.3 million signatures, but 19:27A-6 says every copy of the petition will need a statement of how much the election will cost up front for voters to read, so I even more skeptical of success, though they do have 320 days to collect signatures.

Why, then, is it widely believed that despite this state law, a Senator cannot be recalled? That's due to a 1967 federal court case where a judge ruled that a right-wing activist could not try to recall Senator Frank Church over his opposition to the Vietnam War. (Yeah, the more things change, the more things stay the same.) The New York Times described the ruling on October 1, 1967 (page 47):

United State District Judge Alfred C. Hagen has ruled that a United State Senator "cannot be recalled by the people of the state from which he was elected."...

The judge said a state recall of a Senator would violate the portion of the Federal Constitution, which says of Congress that "each house shall be the judge ofthe elections, returns and qualifiications of its members."

The ruling did not go to the U.S. Supreme Court but Lousiana's Attorney General recently rejected a recall drive (for a Republican) on the same grounds. Certainly the activists can hope for different rulings in the courts, perhaps even taking it all the way to the Supreme Court, but the Secretary of State seems to have had a valid reason to reject the petition drive.

Now does this mean that it's impossible to remove a corrupt Senator from office, as I have seen some bloggers rant around the Internet? No. The Constitution's Article I, Section 5 states that "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member." Members of Congress have been expelled but not one has even been recalled.

So, all the Tea Party activists have to do is convince every Republican in the Senate plus nearly half of the Democrats that Menendez deserves to be kicked out. Well, it's about as likely as getting 1.3 million people to sign a petition saying they want to spend millions of dollars on a special election.

The bottom line is that this is an example of a constitutional controversy: New Jersey state law unambiguously says a Senator may be impeached, but the federal courts have ruled that states do not have that power.  

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Great post (4.00 / 1)
thank you for putting this all together, because I haven't really understood the confusion. That's a heavy lift in front of the Tea Partiers.

of course (0.00 / 0)
There are lots of state laws which are ruled unconstitutional, so it's not that big a deal. But I think it's interesting.



I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo


also, I am not a lawyer (0.00 / 0)
As no doubt is obvious to anyone who is.

I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo

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No. No, we cannot. (4.00 / 2)
I mentioned this a while back on PoliticsNJ and I've done significant research on this point. Let me be clear: No State can recall a federally elected official.

First: The Constitution states that each House of Congress is the judge of the elections, qualifications, and returns of its members. (See Clause 1, Section 5, Article I.)

Second: The Court has held that the Constitution provides the exclusive qualifications and term of office for federal officials. (See U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1995)) State-imposed limitations, state-imposed ballot restrictions, or state-imposed qualifications are unconstitutional to the extent that they are easier or stricter than the federal Constitution.

Third: The federal Constitution is supreme to the constitution and laws of any state to the contrary. (See Article VI.)

While the Court has never directly ruled on the precise issue of State-permitted recall of a federal official, the end result is very clear: any NJ State law which purports to permit the recall of a federally elected official is unconstitutional.

The Secretary of State's office is correct in rejecting any petition for recall; state Courts will affirm the office's decision; and this case will not get past the Third U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals because its holding is obvious.

We should be so lucky if the Tea-Parties waste their time and money trying to pursue this option in the Courts.  But our Junior Senator has nothing to worry about from recall. (And neither do we.)


I don't think it's so clear (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure the current SCOTUS, if it managed to be taken up, would go along with the precedent.  First of all, Stevens' opinion in the US Term Limits case was predicated on the idea that it was the state, rather than the people, who were acting.  A recall petition, for obvious reasons, doesn't fall to that reasoning.

However, for the SCOTUS to look at this, the petition drive would have to be successful and the subsequent election refused.  Then it would have to go through the regular trial and appeals process.  Then the SCOTUS would have to agree to hear it.  Then they would have to get five votes in favor of the recall.

After the Citizens' United ruling, I'm not so sure about whether this incarnation of the Court cares about precedent.  But I'm not so sure they would be willing to test their power by potentially sending a new Senator to DC and seeing which one the Senate would seat.  On the other hand...who knows?

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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I hope the teabagging wingnuts succeed (0.00 / 0)
There are plenty of Democrats who would be better than Menendez and it would be good to know that there is some recourse if a Republican ever wins the seat.

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if any senator deserves to be recalled (4.00 / 1)
It's the one from CT that bucked his party and has a 23% approval rating.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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No words to describe your attitude (0.00 / 0)
First of all, Menendez WON the election. You obviously don't believe in elections or democracy, only in someone you want.  You are only one person of millions. Second, this could lead to a Christie appointee or a Republican senator.  This will disrupt everything and set a horrible precedent, proving elections mean nothing.  Believe me, the Republicans will win this one - as happened in CA.  

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your coulds and wills mean nothing to me (0.00 / 0)
If state law says that two million signatures on a petition will recall a Senator and two million people actually sign such a petition and the SCOTUS doesn't rule it to be unconstitutional, it seems pretty democratic to me.

The fact of the matter is that I don't like Bob Menendez.  He voted for DOMA and the bankruptcy bill as a Congressman and I view his service as DSCC chair as him putting his own personal ambitions ahead of his duty to his state and country, so if there are 2 million people in the state who want to recall Menendez and sign a petition to that effect and it gives Frank Pallone or Steve Rothman the opportunity to run for his seat, fine by me.

Like Sarah Palin calling for Rahm Emanuel's resignation, this seems like one of those times when progressives and teabagging wingnuts can be in agreement with one another.  Do I think that this will happen?  Of course not?  Do I care if it doesn't.  Of course not.  I am simply not going to shed a tear for Bob Menendez if it does.


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I think he's improved. (0.00 / 0)
I'm not a big fan of Menendez, either, but it's been quite a while since the Military Commissions Act and the ridiculous flag-burning thing. I don't remember him going nearly this long without doing something to piss me off before.

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just to be clear (0.00 / 0)
The state law says if 2 million people sign the petition, then a recall election is held.  The petition itself just schedules the election.


I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo

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I thought... (0.00 / 0)
...that was clear from my comment, but if not, thanks for the clarification.

Does the law state how a recall election would work? Would it be like that nonsensical recall election in CA or would the seat be filled temporarily by the Governor with June primary and November general elections to follow?


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It's unclear (0.00 / 0)
as to when the seat would have to be vacated.  But for the election, normal NJ laws would apply.

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.

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here's the law (0.00 / 0)

http://law.onecle.com/new-jers...

b. Whenever the elected official sought to be recalled is other than the Governor or a member of the Legislature, candidates to succeed the elected official in the event the recall is successful may be nominated within nine days after the fifth business day following service of the certification of the petition by each political party in the manner prescribed in R.S.19:13-20 for selecting candidates to fill vacancies among candidates nominated at primary elections. Candidates may also be nominated within that time period by petition in a manner similar to that used for direct nomination by petition for a general election. In the case of offices in nonpartisan units of government, nomination shall be by petition. An elected official who is the subject of a recall election shall be eligible to be elected as that official's own successor in the event that the election results in the official's recall.

c. The ballot used at a recall election shall pose the following question to the voters: "Shall (insert name of elected official sought to be recalled) be recalled from the office of (insert title of office)?" To the right of the question, the words "Yes" and "No" shall appear and each voter shall indicate the voter's choice of one. A recall election sample ballot, but not the actual ballot, shall contain the statement of the reasons for the recall prepared by the recall committee and the answer thereto, if any, which appeared on the petition.

d. Whenever a successor is to be chosen at a recall election in the event the recall is successful, the ballot shall indicate: "Nominees for successor to (insert name and title of the elected official sought to be recalled) in the event he (or she) is recalled." The names of all persons nominated as successors shall appear immediately thereafter in such manner as will allow each voter to vote for one.

If I read that right, you could have question recalling Menendez, and then have Menendez as a candidate to replace himself!


I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo


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Yes, but .... (0.00 / 0)

That's the first thing that came to my mind, too, however ...

The reasonable next question is whether the Senate would honor a state's bona fide recall and dismiss that senator.

Recall wouldn't replace the senator in one vote, so that would leave the state at only half representation, which would be an argument against honoring recall at least until a new senator is duly elected and certified.

This never has been done, so there is no precedent.   The Sen. Harry Reid faction would certainly buckle, don't you think?

The lack of verifiable paper ballots, despite state law, to prove a recall poll should be a factor reneging any claim of recall, anyway, IMHO.


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Leading to an interminable court challenge (0.00 / 0)
So, let's say Sen. Menendez does get tossed out on his ear by a statewide referendum, and the US Senate obliges NJ by summarily dismissing Sen. Menendez.

And no, there is no precedent. Wouldn't Sen. Menendez seek to set one?

If I were him, I'd take it all the way to the US Supremes, who doubtlessly would hear it.

How they would decide, I cannot say, but in the end, I suspect the US Senate would NOT vote to unseat one of their own unless there was some sort of serious malfeasance and in that case, that body would not need to wait for a statewide referendum to act.

I think the Sussex Co. tea partiers need to be sent packing (again) on this one. The state law is clearly unconstitutional and if such a recall did lead to a Senator's dismissal, even via the "Senatorial courtesy" route Jim33 imagines, we'd be looking at an impasse that would make seating Al Franken look like the blink of an eye. Years could pass before anything was settled.


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Political Question doctrine? (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure the Court would hear it. Perhaps Bush v. Gore showed that the Court no longer adheres to the doctrine that some cases are inherently political and not decidable judicially, but that has been an important doctrine for most of our history.

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Will hear if it helps the GOP (0.00 / 0)


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It could (0.00 / 0)
using the method for the gubernatorial in California

1) Do you vote to recall?

2) Who do you vote for?

There is no precedent, but the PR would be horrible.  They'd buckle.  Probably give the guy an appointee position to get him out of there.

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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it turns out that's what happens (0.00 / 0)
http://law.onecle.com/new-jers...


I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo

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Menendez has a fight on his hands (0.00 / 0)
I would think that the "tea party's " argument just got a little stronger with the revelation of Sen. Robert Menendez, (D-N.J.) pressing federal regulators to approve the acquisition of a doomed Elizabeth bank whose officers included contributors to his campaigns .Joseph Ginarte, who has contributed $30,000 to Menendez since 1999 and the bank's vice chairman was state Sen. Raymond Lesniak, (D-Union)....OH don;t forget to delete this post so as not to infuriate you sheep with more truths  

I'm sure (4.00 / 2)
if you work really hard, you can act like a human being.

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.

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With Enemies Like You... (0.00 / 0)
...Menendez doesn't need any friends!  LOL

The whole Republican party is one big corporate whore, even the worst the Dems are amateurs in comparison.

When you come out for public campaign financing and start using your actual name, you just may have some credibility as a reformer.

 


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This is a common ground issue (0.00 / 0)
Most demands for recalls come from right-wing activists and ideologues, which I think describes most Tea Partiers.  But that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea.

It would take a Constitutional amendment for this to happen. I would like to see an amendment that allows a recall on a petition by 55% of all those who were eligible to vote in the previous election.  More than a simple majority, but also more doable than a 66% supermajority.  That would prevent a "majority of a minority" from taking control of the process, and ensuring that a recall really reflects the will of the people.


I'd prefer (0.00 / 0)
that it be based on number of votes cast for that office, because it's a more realistic number of people who are involved in politics.

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.

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makes sense (0.00 / 0)
So if someone is elected to their office in a low turnout election, the number of signatures required for their recall would be less than if they won a high turnout election.

[ Parent ]
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