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He Wasn't Bluffing

by: Juan Melli

Sun Jul 02, 2006 at 12:22:43 PM EDT



The cot he bought for his office should have been a hint.

Corzine Shut Downs New Jersey's Government

Mr. Corzine...said that he felt compelled to sign the order after he and the Democrat-controlled Legislature could not reach agreement on Mr. Corzine’s proposal to help balance the budget by raising the sales tax to 7 percent from 6 percent.
Corzine insists that it's time for a responsible budget that doesn't rely on gimmicks:
State Treasurer Bradley Abelow on Friday told the Democrat-led Assembly New Jersey was one of only a few states whose finances had not improved, though the U.S. economy has grown for four years, because it relied on fiscal gimmicks.
Corzine and legislative leaders were due to meet this morning, and the legislature will keep meeting every day until a solution is found, but whatever happens, we should be glad that unlike almost everyone else, Corzine isn't playing games with the budget. He's serious about ending the fiscal insanity:
"I am prepared to compromise and I have...There have been significant accommodations to the Legislature, but there will not be a continuation of the practices of the past that leave New Jersey practically in the same shape as the Katrina-ravaged Gulf states who are the only states, after roughly five years of economic expansion, that still have a rating in the red."
Thank you, governor. It's nice to see there are still some adults in charge of things.
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He Wasn't Bluffing | 11 comments
I guess Linda Stender's a child, then. (0.00 / 0)
>>Thank you, governor. It's nice to see there are still some adults in charge of things.<<

Since she's come out in favor of Roberts's plan.

Before we start claiming that Corzine's acting like "the adult" here, let's consider that Roberts and those supporting his plans might have genuine philisophical differences here.  Beyond being bad politics, raising the sales tax, in a state like New Jersey that benefits from our proximity to New York in terms of attracting consumers from a highly taxed state, it's bad policy.  The net result will be lowering the number of out of state consumers while encouraging in state consumers on the border of lower taxed states (ie: Pennsylvania) to buy their goods across the border.

You're undeservedly tarring good progressives like Stender, as well as good representatives like Van Drew, with this ridiculous "child" attack.  There are pragmatic policy reasons to oppose Corzine's proposal, in addition to important political reasons.  If the Republicans sweep into a veto-proof majority, I see neither how that will advance progressive goals nor how it will go towards putting our state on firm financial footing.


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They had 3 months to educate the public about the dire fiscal situation we face, but instead, Dems in the legislature talked about how they would never raise taxes. They did nothing to improve the political situation. They had nearly 100 days to start working on the budget, but they waited until the very end. Procrastinating until the last minute is what I expect from high school students doing a research paper, not from our state legislature. It's embarassing.

Unless Linda Stender and other Assembly Democrats get behind a plan that's as responsible as the one Corzine introduced, I stand by my comments. I understand that there are alternate ways to have a responsible budget besides increasing the sales tax. As far as I'm concerned, they haven't proposed one yet. What they've proposed still relies on gimmicks (like hoping for hundreds of millions in higher revenue) and underfunding our obligations to the pension fund. Personally, I would use the income tax instead to balance the budget, but more important than the exact details is that the plan be fiscally prudent. Roberts's plan isn't.


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The problem is, I don't consider Corzine's budget fiscally prudent. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think tax hikes are, at this point, fiscally responsible.  There are systemic problems with the NJ budget that can no longer be solved with tax increase after tax increase.  Corzine should be using his political capital to address those, rather than trying to get the Legislative Dems to enter into a political suicide pact.

Consolidation must take place within the municipalities.  The pension system must be reformed (primarily by disallowing the shellgame of part-time pension inflation).  Someone needs to address education spending that is, quite frankly, spiraling out of control without any oversight.  Any one of these would put the state on a road towards long-term fiscal health.  Corzine should be flexing his political muscle towards those ends.

Corzine's inflexibility on the sales tax is the problem.  He could get 99% of what he wants if he just agreed not to raise the sales tax (it should be noted that raising is the issue, not even expanding it to services such as limos and dry cleaning).  It's not just the Legislature that's to blame here.


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He could get 99% of what he wants if he just agreed not to raise the sales tax

Seems like he isn't the only one who's being inflexible.

Our sales tax, even after the hike, will still be lower than NYC.  I don't foresee anyone staying away from the Secaucus Walmart because the sales tax was hiked by 1%.

Even if they do, all they have to do is hit any of the urban enterprise zones - such as all the NYC'ers do along Rt. 440 in Jersey City.  When you have the choice to abate your sales tax by 4% simply by driving another block or two, I don't think you are threatening anyone's economic viability.

Consolidation is a great issue - and there is plenty of time to work out the details of how that issue would play out.  You can't simply throw independent entities together and say, "Now play nice."  Last minute attempts at this are doomed to failure.  It's better to meet our spending requirements as they are, then work on consolidation, then repeal the tax hike if possible.

Abbott spending is in a similar situation.  It's a long-term problem where last-minute deals are doomed to failure.  You make a cake by following a recipe step-by-step, not by throwing everything in the pan and dancing triumphantly around the kitchen because you got to use real eggs versus egg beaters.

XT

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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Out-of-staters come to NJ to shop for clothing, which will still remain tax-free.

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True enough. (0.00 / 0)
But there are plenty of other high-ticket items that get sold that will take a hit with a sales tax increase.

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Sorry, that's just not true.

We were told the "millionaire's tax" would chase rich people out of the state - it hasn't happened.  Same thing with plastic surgery tax - I just drove through Upper Montclair and Verona and counted more than twenty cosmetic surgeon offices.  Explain how we chased them out one more time.

Now, if you can logically explain how keeping our sales tax below that of New York will hurt our sales, I'd love to hear it.

XT

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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It's not just people coming in from NY. (0.00 / 0)
It's in-state commerce moving out of state.  Right now, people within driving distance of PA have no reason to go to PA to buy stuff; they'll have a reason once the sales tax increases.  As I suggested, it's a situation where the state will get pinched on both sides; a decrease (I'm not going to argue abotu degrees, though it's quite possible you're right, and it'll be minimal) in NY traffic, and NJ traffic getting redirected towards PA or DE businesses (well, there probably already is migration towards DE businesses, but it might encourage more migration).

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I'm sure there are some people who cross the border to shop.  I don't think it is as extreme as some people are making it seem.  If so, NYC would be dropping their rate to pull the NY'ers out of Secaucus (and I really wish they would).

Same thing, I believe, goes for PA and De.  For me, and most people that I know, the key component in shopping is convenience and it just isn't convenient to load the family up an drive 20+ miles just to save $1 per hundred.  You'd spend more than that on gasoline alone.

XT

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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Let's Chill... (0.00 / 0)
A few days of this isn't the end of the world.

No Gimmicks, and no across the board sale tax increases are not mutually exclusive propositions.

I wish it hadn't come to this.  Juan has a point in that they should have been on this intensively months ago...but now that we're here, let's hope for/demand some sound and serious compromises that incorporate the best of all worlds.

And yes, some progressive increase in income taxes for the wealthiest people and companies should certainly be in the mix.

Let's get this done within 72 hrs...or less.


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The last I saw, the Assembly Dems were not looking at any income tax increase at all.

XT

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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