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Can Rep. Holt Bring Democracy to Florida 13?

by: JRB

Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 01:43:41 PM EST



Earlier this week, Representative Rush Holt cited the mass undervoting in a section of Florida's 13th district as evidence the nation needs verifiable voting. Some voters in this area have complained the race was not on their screens, while it is likely the odd placement made the race hard to find. (Notice it is page 2, carrying over from the other FEDERAL race on page 1.)

But this was not a minor problem for a few absent-minded voters. In his press conference, Rep. Holt reminded, "More than 18,000 votes were uncounted in a race separated by less than 400 votes." Voters did not receive receipts (Good eye, FogerRox) left no paper trail to investigate their undervotes in the race, and their complaints have fallen on deaf ears. Like Holt said, "Without a voter-verified paper audit trail, no satisfactory resolution is possible. One side or the other will always doubt the result."

Tomorrow, Florida will certify the Republican as the winner, and some are asking whether there are other paths to recourse. This informative thread over at Kos asks whether a new election is possible. In the comments, readers cite the precedents of Indiana 8 in 1984 and New Hampshire Senate in 1974. In these cases, the federal government helped resolve the matter while the states sat on their hands. In the former, the House refused to seat either member until they reviewed the case and determined the winner qualified. In the latter case, the Senate was petitioned to review the matter and the two candidates agreed to a new election.

If the House refuses to seat the member from Florida 13, as Kos reader gatordem comments, "Under Florida law, the governor is required to call a special election to fill the vacant seat." But of course, a member of the House has to lead that effort.

As a nationally recognized voter-advocate, Representative Holt is the natural choice for such a job. He should strongly consider taking the lead. Contact his office here.

JRB :: Can Rep. Holt Bring Democracy to Florida 13?
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Should the House Refuse to seat a member from Florida 13 due to voting irregularities?
Yes, and Rep. Holt should lead.
Yes, but leave this to the Florida delegation.
No, this doesn't constitute voting irregularities.
No, it would be an unnecessary distraction.
No, this is too petty for such a serious action.

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Of Course... Rush should lead (4.00 / 1)
And we should agitate to challenge every dubious election everywhere, even if "our candidate" wins.

This broken system of voting will not be fixed until it gets on the radar screen and stays there.

We should not be satisfied with 18,000 missing votes, sleepovers with voting equipment, inauditable tallying programs, and vendor-written VVPAT standards (check out NJ's Division of Elections website , where you are invited to comment on the "Revised Draft Voter-Verified Paper Record (VVPR) Criteria" and see if you detect the thumbprint of Sequoia on the scale).

Let's not wait until the next election to make our voices heard. Many a progressive Democrat professed to be for improved standards for our vote -- let's hold them to it.


On further thought (0.00 / 0)
The effort might be less of an unnecessary distraction and more about welcome attention. The positive results for Democrats overshadowed many other voting irregularities and GOP efforts at disenfranchisement.

Rep. Holt could do something productive for the intergrity not just of Florida 13, but the entire country.


FYI (4.00 / 2)
No voter should ever get a receipt. That is a violation of Federal statute, and reeks of " Show me your receipt and I'll pay you 20 bucks to vote for my guy."

The Election reform community much prefers to avoid even using the word receipt, as its use may build expectations that are counter productive.

IIRC Blacks Law does contain entries for Paper ballot, but not receipt or even paper trail. And IIRC one state law has been challenger because of this weak language.

"Voters did not receive receipts,"

PS in FL 13, IIRC, there are 10 days to challenge the certified results.

I think refusing to seat the "winner" treads on thin ice.  Both Bilbray CA-50, and Pelosi were seated BEFORE certified results were achieved. Though the threat of refusal might do just as good... in fact I would say threaten FL 13  with just that, and do it NOW.

But back to FL-13

Paper ballots scanned by opscanners had an unervote rate of 2.6%, which is slightly high. While the ES&S DRE undervote is an absurd 16.17%. SO the official story that Sarisota voters were unconcerned with the race for Congress is BS.

Unless the unconcerned voters all managed to use the ES&S DRE's... yeah right

http://www.votetrust...

THE PRIMARY reason to audit an race, is when problems break down by voting machine type, and in this case you have a classic example of  that.


Check out my 3 paragraph primer on Polywell Fusion.


Actually (0.00 / 0)
once word gets out that someone is paying for proof of a particular vote, voters could pass off the same receipt several times to other voters.

Restore democracy and the Constitution for which it stands.

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Reasons that may give Holt pause (0.00 / 0)
Since the whip count on HR 550 only gives it barely enough votes to pass, Holt may shy away from this fight in order to keep this bill from becoming politicized.

But if this bamboozlement isn't beaten back now, then when?


DO you mean the Whip count in the 109th Congress? or the 110th ? (0.00 / 0)
Holt has been chillin w/Hr550 in his back pocket for like ...what 2 yrs... he might be able to wait another few months.

Check out my 3 paragraph primer on Polywell Fusion.

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Yeah, but ... (0.00 / 0)
Never underestimate the fickle nature of politicians. If controversy over FL-13 becomes the latest political showdown, who knows what could happen.

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With less than 400 votes in play (0.00 / 0)
Yeah it could be big, I would love so much to see that.

Check out my 3 paragraph primer on Polywell Fusion.

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FL -13 This is how messed up this race is. (0.00 / 0)
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . . 777
SENATE
Katherine Harris . . . . . . . . 249
Bill Nelson. . . . . . . . . . 499
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . 14
HOUSE
Vern Buchanan . . . . . . . . . 240
Christine Jennings . . . . . . . . 429
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 108
GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 18
ATTORNEY GENERAL
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 39
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 41
COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 41
from

http://www.srqelecti...

The friggin COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE got not even 1/2 the undervotes seen in the house race

Check out my 3 paragraph primer on Polywell Fusion.


FL-13: early vote undervote rate > 11/7 vote undervote rate (0.00 / 0)
This never happens.  In general, early voters demonstrate lower undervote races in all races on the ballot.

I think some early confusion with the design of the ballot was at least partially cleared up in certain precincts.


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Clarify (0.00 / 0)
Please explain your last point.

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In general, (4.00 / 1)
early voters are more likely to vote a full ballot.  Intutiviely this makes sense, because early voters are politically astute enough to know that they can vote early and, more importantly, have made up their minds.

In FL-13 this wasn't the case.  Early voters undervoted at a 17.6% rate, versus 13.9% for election day voters.

Furthermore, several precincts showed a remarkable decrease in undervote rate from early voting to 11/7 voting.  Precinct 107 saw 17 of 79 early voters but only 22 of 421 election day voters undervote FL-13.  Precinct 152 had 18 undervotes among early voters and 19 undervotes among election day voters, but over 3 times higher turnout on election day.  I suspect that poll workers, administrators, or voters in these and other precincts noticed the large undervote in the early voting and took some sort of corrective action, e.g. warning voters who hadn't voted yet to double-check their entry for the Congressional race.


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